District Calls for Questions, Input from Attendees at Bond Measure Forum
A potential $230 million bond measure is being discussed and the district is looking for input.
The San Ramon Valley Unified District is looking for input from the community on a potential $230 million bond measure.
On Monday night at San Ramon Valley High School, the district held the second of four community forums where it discussed the bond and then held breakout sessions with attendees to ask and discuss various points of the bond.
The next two meetings:
- Monte Vista High School — Thursday, Feb. 2 — 7 p.m.
- Dougherty Valley High School – Wednesday, Feb. 8 – 7 p.m.
The bond is currently in the exploratory phase, school officials repeated throughout the evening. An exploratory committee consisting of parents, administration, faculty and other members of the community have been assembled and charged with determining if the district should pursue a bond and, if so, what that bond would look like.
Projects discussed that could find themselves in the bond proposal included a complete renovation of Stone Valley Middle School, major renovations of several elementary schools, the expansion of Dougherty Valley High School and Quail Run Elementary School, plus putting emphasis on technology infrastructure throughout the district, including a robust wi-fi network. A finalized list has not been established yet.
The bond, if recommended, could fall somewhere between $190 million and $230 million, officials said. They said the expected cost to the taxpayer to be about $20 to $30 per $100,000 of assessed property values for a 25-year bond. That cost, however, could fluctuate up and down slightly, officials said during the breakout sessions later in the evening.
"We're going to be probably asking for a bond," Board of Education President Greg Marvel told the audience of a few dozen parents and administrators. He went on to say that he received emails saying the district had wasted money. "It isn't because we wasted money. We didn't. We spent honestly and judiciously and completed on time and on budget and even saved money."
The district passed a $70 million bond measure in 1998 and a $260 million bond in 2002. (A bond measure in 1996 failed by just two votes.)
Not if, but when
Despite the exploratory phase of this bond, the question Chris Kenber, a former Board of Education member and a member of a previous school bond oversight committee, posed was not whether the district should be pursuing these projects but when.
Under California State law, a bond measure on a general election ballot only needs 55 percent of the vote, or a super majority, for it to pass. In special election years the district would need two-thirds to pass a bond measure. The earliest date for a vote would be a June 5 ballot.
But why now?
There appear to be several reasons, according to the officials who spoke during the forum.
One point emphasized was the growth at the schools. Kenber said that the San Ramon Valley Unified School District has grown by an average of 4 percent over the past six years. That equals about 1,000 new students a year he said.
|
Year |
School population |
|
2002 |
21067 |
|
2007 |
24623 |
|
2012 |
29896 |
With this type of growth, the issue of diversion comes up.
With the previous two bonds "we've minimized serious student crowding and avoided most student diversions around the district," Kenber said. Though there are some student diversions he added.
Kenber said with a new large-scale development near Dougherty Valley, the need for expansion is key. "What's the impact here?" he asked the audience at San Ramon Valley High School. "(Students) diverted out of Dougherty High School. We'd have to put them here or somewhere, and that's a problem that will affect everyone."
Creating 21st Century Schools
Another key point, Kenber said, was upgrading the facilities to the 21st century with the infrastructure to support technology, including a wi-fi network, throughout the district.
"We're not going to use the bond money to buy iPads," Marvel said. "If students can't get online, they can't use iPads. ... We have 35 buildings. They age. We need to put an emphases on technology."
Kenber added that, due to the recession, construction costs are incredibly low. Additionally, he presented the idea that property values and quality schools are related. "We have a destination district with a superlative education program, good test scores year after year. This is good for homeowners, too. The value of homes have dropped less than its surrounding areas," he said.
Anecdotally, he said, local realtors will say that the No. 1 selling point in the area is the school district.
The district said other projects the district wants to address include energy efficiency to lower operating costs, improving traffic and improving the schools' safety measures.
Parents say more info needed
For the breakout sessions, the audience was split in half and put in separate rooms to provide input and ask questions about the potential bond measure.
"I thought it was very helpful," Rebecca Adams, a mother with two in the district said. "I learned a lot."
About 20 people were in one breakout session, of which half were district parents. The breakout sessions posed questions and asked for feedback on the perception of the facilities, what on the project list is important, what's missing from the list, what the voting populace would think of a tax increase, and the bond time frame.
Parents were asked to write their feedback on sticky notes, which were stuck under the various questions asked.
Comments included:
- Facilities appear to be well maintained.
- Why complete renovations?
- Facilities are middle of the road because of mix of old and new buildings. Some are new, excellent facilities, others are not.
- Some will not support any bond but the majority of parents will recommend and vote yes.
- Need to provide info so that residents without school age children will get out and vote.
- San Ramon Valle High School parents will support but it's still hard for our families.
- There is concern of the time in these economic times.
- Get more information out. More specifics would be useful. A detailed project list. Specific cost info on each project plus cost comparison.
- Education of voters of inequities in school districts, do they exist?
- Full disclosure of finances to people.
The consensus of those in the room was that there needed to be more information presented and available to the public but that they were, in general, in favor of the bond.
"Most people are uneducated about what is going on," Adams said. "Most people don't know what some of the schools really need, facility wise. They need to keep them up with times. Most parents are very supportive and this is a great community."
Engagement needed
Do you have an opinion about the potential bond measure? There is several ways for your voice to be heard. We invite you to tell us what you need to know about this bond measure, if recommended, before heading to the polls. We invite you to tell us why you would or wouldn't support this measure. We invite you to voice your thoughts and opinions on this subject. You can leave a comment in the section below or, if you're feeling really ambitious, write a letter to the editor and email it to Danville Patch editor Terry Parris Jr. at terry.parris@patch.com.
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M Stafford
8:09 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012
Why would you not vote "Yes". It helps maintain our excellent educational standard, It helps us prepare students to enter the working world, it helps keep our property values up and it is not that much money. I guess if you did not believe that the improvements are necessary or if you did not trust the school district you may vote no. Or your just cheap.
Sam Clemens
8:11 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012
Considerations
Invest the $250 million in a local competitive district (charter) unencumbered by The unions and ossified management. These schools would provide an alternative to second rate SRVSD (globally), and ultimately force the SRVSD to change itself.
Add 1 or 2 hours to the middle and high school days. Every hour added increases school capacity by 15% with no school bond required. Remember early and late birds from kindergarten days.
Consider year around schools. Schools are vacant 50 week days through the summer. Year around schools add 30% to capacity without burdening the community with more debt.
Terry Parris Jr.
9:21 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012
Year around school year and adding one or two hours to the school day for seventh through 12th graders? Whew-- glad I'm graduated.
D. Mom
9:42 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012
I would have to vote no because I am already spending $200 a month in tutors because my kids aren't learning from their teachers. I also contribute to the academic fundraisers and pay for after school sport programs. I can't afford more taxes. Homework each night takes us 3+ hours and I'm tired of being an unpaid teacher at home. I didn't sign up for home schooling. I agree with Sam, the school day should be longer so the kids can learn at school, not home. I also support year around school. A remodeled school environment isn't going to help students learn, except for the improved technology which is a necessity. I can't believe we already have to improve Doughtery Valley High School! There is no room in the other high schools to divert kids. We also need to get rid of underperforming, tenured teachers. Yesterday's San Ramon Valley Times newspaper had an article on how other states are weakening tenure rights for teachers. Very interesting.
Terry Parris Jr.
9:53 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012
In Michigan, a tenure bill has passed with this idea: http://michiganradio.org/post/snyder-sign-teacher-tenure-bill
From the presentation at the forum, it appears that the district wants to minimize diversions out of the schools (among other things with the bond). They also discussed the expansion of DV to deal with the growth in school population (about 1,000 a year, according to officials), thus minimizing diversion. So, how big of a deal is diverting kids out of their neighborhood schools due to overcrowding?
Sam Clemens
11:14 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012
Next time u hear that thecteacher's union wants what's best for kids; remember they stand staunchly opposed to pay for performance, termination of lower quality teachers, and the implementation of technology that cut's labor costs and improves the learning experience
Sam Clemens
11:19 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012
Terry's article re Michigan schools is great.
Interesting that citizens of a formerly UAW union state can see what that union and the crappy car co management did to an industry that was world class in the 60's. (I'm former Michigan resident, was educated in Michigan and was a car company engineer.
I hope Michigan will improve the law to elminate Union work rules, and allow pay for performance.
Phyllis
1:02 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012
I would not vote for another parcel tax. The one currently in place does not expire until my daughter is a junior in high school, and she is currently in the 7th grade. I do not think it is fair for every home owner to have to pay another parcel tax as some are on a fixed income and some are seniors trying to make ends meet. Plus, regardless of what the advisory committee has told us, the funds are not distributed equally. I would be much more inclined to pay my share at the school level. Meaning each student pays an amount depending on the grade and cost of supplies in that grade at the school level. That way I know that those funds are being spent at my school, and not on solar panels or anything else. Tell me what to pay for an 8th grader at Pine Valley and if I can make one time or multiple payments and I will do it, as I know it is going toward my child and my school. Face it, there will no longer be a free public education in this state anymore, just like it is no longer affordable to go to college in this state. So, give other options rather than milking our property taxes. For those who have trouble with paying at the school level, look at financial aid options.
Terry Parris Jr.
1:07 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012
Thank you Phyllis for the comment. Just to clarify, this would be a facilities bond (what they were discussing at this forum) and not a parcel tax.
But what I'm hearing is that you're displeased that the money you're paying is going toward programs or schools your children aren't using or attending?
Elizabeth Perkins
9:43 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012
Phyllis, FYI Pine Valley was recently completely remodeled using bond funding that was paid for by residents in the entire school district.
Dan Erboy
9:42 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012
DV was built using city, builder and the homeowners also pay mella roos. The district gets funding per every student they serve. They should have oodles of money. Why don't they?
Terry Parris Jr.
9:46 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012
It was reported to the board on Tuesday that over the last four years the district has had a reduction in state funding of $82 million or, roughly $3,000 per student.
Sam Clemens
9:50 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012
Time to restructure, get more productive, cut out the deadwood. Take on the Union, run the district to maximize student outcomes not the union membership.
Dan Erboy
8:33 am on Friday, January 27, 2012
Terry, Did they break down the loss in revenue? The schools received a 1 time aid bail out from the state and the fed government. This was not to be considered part of budget losses.What money did they lose? Where did it come from? Was it always part of the budget? At the same time, what money was gained? Revenue from from the bonds & the parcel taxes? Fed. dollars, matching funds, stimulus from state, fundraising? We hear that the sky is falling every year and guess what, It doesn't. It is a way in which the budgets are projected before the budget is actually approved in CA. This allows politicians to drive fear into the citizens to support throwing more money at the government. SRVUSD has learned to capitalize on the fears of the public. They lobby for the funds and then turn and say "good news, we have more money than we projected." They have been doing this for years. Google the Measure C ballot pamphlet that we just passed. Brown is going to put the tax increase on the ballots, SRVUSD is going to put the bond on the ballots and the taxpayers are stuck with a CA Government that increasingly grows bigger. No cuts are made, budgets increase, raises given and we turn and wonder why CA carries more debit than all of the other 49 states combined. Schools are being taken over by the state, cities are declaring bankruptcy. No real change takes place. Many of us in the private sector, can't afford it anymore. We just can't.
Terry Parris Jr.
12:39 pm on Friday, January 27, 2012
I don't have a break down of the loses but Dan Parnas or Peter (from the PTOC) could shed light on that (until I do get a breakdown).
Sam Clemens
9:03 am on Friday, January 27, 2012
We not only can't afford the absolute dollars, we shouldn't have to put up with the low quality and excessive union driven costs in schools, and public services.
R
12:54 pm on Friday, January 27, 2012
I became so frustrated with teachers/school district that I have one of my children in private school, my other child will go to private school for high school but my junior will finish here. I gave money and volunteered for years. I pay for tutors and sports and music for my 3 kids on top of all the school donations. I relate to D Mom, spending hours reteaching my kids at home. At least at the private school we are at now, the kids start study hall at the end of the day and can ask the teachers questions about homework before they go home. It makes after school an absolutely different experience. I will vote no.
Terry Parris Jr.
1:27 pm on Friday, January 27, 2012
R: Thanks for the comment. In your opinion, why were you having to pay for tutors? What do you think the issue was/is? Not enough time to teach what needs to be taught? Standards are high and teachers can't fit it all into their classes? Are the teachers not performing to your standards? What was your issue?
R
7:54 am on Saturday, January 28, 2012
Math math and math. That is what I am paying tutors for, and so are many other families I know in this school district. Each level has different issues. In elementary school the kids have so many projects tossed at them with out showing how to really do it and many parents end up helping too much. It also felt like by 4th grade there was this checklist of projects at a rapid pace with no feedback for the kids. Product not process was emphasized. I would like my kids to be able to learn skills they can apply to their learning again. In middle school the math is the worst. The are not teaching math well and the kids start to think they are not math students and limit their future choices. HIgh school, lack of feedback. How can a student prepare for a math final when there has been not returned work since November? How does a student (or parent looking at school loop) know where they are at, what they know well and what needs more work?
Sam Clemens
12:24 pm on Saturday, January 28, 2012
The complaints we read here would soon be rectified if the SRVSD had a competitor. Students switching to a better alternative would force SRVSD change 100 times faster than parents complaints.
It's only creative destruction that will create change. Parents are wasting their breath with complaints.
Think charter spin off. Think bond $$ for charter.
Gail Erb
8:50 pm on Sunday, February 5, 2012
According to my most recent property tax bill, we are paying already for a SRVUSD parcel tax in addition to our base property tax. We are also paying for the SRVUSD 2002 bond issue and two community college bond issues. I say enough. Cal High was just remodeled, and so was Pine Valley. Schools out in Dougherty Valley are practically brand new. Let's pay off these bonds before we approve any new ones.